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Epizoda: 24
Datum premijere: 22.05.1994.
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Scenaristi: Gary Holland (story), Gary Holland & Ira Steven Behr & Robert Hewitt Wolfe (teleplay)

Redatelj: Cliff Bole

Gostujući Glumci:
* Philip Anglim - Vedek Bareil
* Bert Remsen - Kubus Oak
* Camille Saviola - Kai Opaka
* Louise Fletcher - Vedek Winn
* Charles Parks - Eblan
* Tom Villard - Prylar Bek

Stardate: Nepoznat (2370)

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Bajor je u razdoblju biranja novog duhovnog vođe. Kirin ljubavnik, Vedek Bareil vodeći je kandidat, jer je bio kai Opakin osobni izbor za naslijednika. Nakon što je proveo neko vrijeme s Kirom na postaji, Bareil se sprema vratiti na Bajor, ali njih dvoje nailaze na vedekinju Winn, koja se natječe protiv Bareila za pozicju kai. Kira jedva uspijeva suzdržati svoju ljutnju prema vedekinji Winn, jer ju ona još uvijek krivi za pokušaj Bareilovog ubojstva. Istovremeno, Kubus, stariji Bajorac, pokušava doći na postaju neopažen, ali ga primjeti drugi Bajorac, koji ga prepozna kao poznatog kardasijanskog kolaboracionista. Kako se skuplja gomila, Odo dolazi uhititi Kubusa, dok Winn motri događaje iz prikrajka.

Detaljnije informacije: Memory Alpha

Kompletan scenarij: ST Minutae

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* Had Bareil become the Kai of Bajor, events that transpired in later episodes would have been radically different. The most prominent example is Winn's consultation of the Book of the Kosst Amojan, which she told Dukat/Anjohl Tennan was for her eyes only as Kai, and the subsequent release of the Pah-wraiths in the Fire Caves. Indeed, the original plan was to have Bareil become the Kai, but the writers changed their minds at the last minute. As Ira Steven Behr explains, "We had talked all year about Bareil becoming the next Kai. All year! And during this conversation, we started talking about a collaborator, and I suddenly realized, 'We don't want Bareil as the Kai. What the hell good is that going to do us? He's a friend, and he's not going to cause any trouble for Federation.' The trick to drama is to find the person who's going to cause the most conflict and put him in the most powerful position." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion)
* When Kira tells Odo that she is love with Bareil, Odo reacts a little strangely, and many fans cite this as the first direct hint of his feelings for her. He would later admit that he loved her in the third season episode "Heart of Stone" only to discover he was talking to the Female Changeling. He would ultimately go on to reveal his feelings to the real Kira in the fifth season episode "Children of Time". Due to the threats posed by the Klingon Empire and the Dominion War, it was not until the sixth season episode "His Way" that Odo finally "asked Kira out."
* Writer Gary Holland was surprised at how Odo reacted to finding out that Kira loved Bareil, as that was not how he had written the scene. Like many fans, he took it as an indication that Odo was secretly in love with Kira, and this secret passion directly influenced Holland to write "Children of Time" - the episode where Odo finally reveals the truth. (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion)
* This is the first episode in which the Bajoran Occupational Government is mentioned. It was previously implied that the Cardassians simply eliminated the Bajoran government altogether during the Occupation of Bajor. The Ilvian Proclamation, which sentenced all collaborators to exile, is also revealed.
* Gary Holland's original idea for this episode involved an elderly male Bajoran who had been living on Cardassia for many years and who wanted to return home to Bajor. It is discovered during the episode that this Bajoran has some kind of dark secret, and Kira is assigned to find out what it is. At first, it seems as if the secret may be that the man is the murderer of Kira's father, but it later transpires that the murderer is in fact his daughter, and he is covering up for her. (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion)
* This marks Camille Saviola's (Opaka) first appearance since her character chose to remain in the Gamma Quadrant in the first-season episode, "Battle Lines". She returned once more in an orb shadow in the fourth season episode "Accession", but physically, Opaka presumably remained in the Gamma Quadrant.
* The visible tension between Winn and the crew of DS9 is left over from Winn's attempt to stop Keiko O'Brien teaching secular science to Bajoran schoolchildren. During a visit to the station, Winn coerced a Bajoran engineer to try to kill Vedek Bareil, who opposed Winn's way of thinking and threatened her popular support. However, as there was no evidence to prove her involvement, she was never indicted. (DS9: "In the Hands of the Prophets")
* The name of Kai Opaka's son was never revealed in the episode, although he was called "Fasil" in the Star Trek: Terok Nor novel Night of the Wolves.
* According to the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion, there are several Watergate parallels in this episode: for example, the scene where Quark helps Kira bypass the security lockouts, or the Prylar Bek character, whom the Companion claims is based on John Dean.
* Referenced Rules of Acquisition: #285 ("No good deed ever goes unpunished")
* Siddig El Fadil (Bashir) and Cirroc Lofton (Jake) do not appear in this episode. Avery Brooks (Sisko) only appears in one scene (his discussion with Winn).

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Kai je winn sada :evil:

Ocjena 8 , uglavnom ovo s bajorom izgleda kao sa bivsom jugoslavijom uz izuzetak da su samo 2 strane umijesane 8)
Tako imamo velike vjernike koji su umijesani u politiku (kaptol i vatikan ) , imamo situaciju da se vecina mora spasavat na nacin da manjina izgubi (u ovom slucaju izdajom a u slucaju raspada bivse drzave s time da je vukovar bio pod opasadom a trebalo se branit i druge krajeve) , imamo pokvarene politicare, u ovom slucaju svecenicu i spletke zbog kojih cesto nastradaju posteni ljudi , imamo i vedeka bareila koji preuzima krivnju kako bi se spasio kult licnosti kai opake , koja je pozitivna osoba s negativnom odlukom
Ali najsmijesnije od svega mi je sto bajor nakon rata zeli uci u federaciju (hrvatska u EU ) , sto sisko izgledakao nekakav visoki predstavnik u bosni a lokalne mu vlasti , centralna vlada , vedeci i opozicija , zajedno sa silom sa strane kardasijom , cine samo probleme :zubo:

Ispada kao da kad uzmes hrvatsku kandidaturu za EU , bosanski sustav vlasti , utjecaj vatikana i religije u drustvu jugoistocne europe , nestabilnu okolinu u cijelini (dominij i kardasija a u reali srbija i kosovo) , izmucen i paranoican narod , dobijes bajor :?

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...Vedek Bareil i Kira ljubuju...
...Winn na postaji... sigurno neku spačku sprema...
...naravno , želi poboljšati odnos s Siskom za svoju kampanju...

(a sad ked je izabrana, odgađa predstavljanje sebe i Siska Bajoru... takvu pokvarenost nisam dugo vidio...)

...no Sisko ju prokuži, te bi on nakon izbora KAI na predstavljanje... LOL
...splatkarošica se samo bolesno nakesila...

...aaa! dala je samo tako azil Kubusu... ona ne bi smijela imati takvog utjecaja na Bajoru... ja bi riskirao je i smaknuo... i pozvao na uneračunljivost... (za boljitak Bajora!)

...najlakše je biti vjerski vođa na Bajoru... lijepo niš ne delaš, baviš se poslovima drugih ljudi... budeš malo bahat... i gledaš da stavri idu tebi u korist...

Quark je rekao moje omiljeno pravilo stjecanja 285 ''Svako dobro djelo na može proći nekažnjeno''...

...a joj, izmanipuliran Bareil odustaje od kandidature za Kai... i eto veselja , spletkarošica je postala KAI... :baeh:

...Kira je malo pranaglo zaključila činjenice i dovela Winn na vlast...

...ono, epizoda je bila zanimljiva... ali mi je pojela previše živaca...
...draže su mi one u kojima se smijem...
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Zanimljiva epizoda s politicko-vjerskim spletkama kakvih ima dosta u DS9...

Pridruzujem se gadjenju sto je Winn postala Kai :thumbs3:
Doslo 'malo zlo' Winn u igru, a 2 epizode kasnije eto i vece prijetnje - Dominij.... sve spremno za najbolji dio DS9-a :)

Ali ajde, bilo bi sve skupa dosadnije da je Bareil postao kai - ne bi bilo toliko frke...
Pitanje je kako bi ssve zavrsilo da Bareil nije stitio Opaku i zaista postao kai - kako bi na kraju krenuo i zavrsio plot s pah utvarama i sl...
Da li je okej u borbi za vlast (makar i duhovnu) zrtvovati dignitet bivse kai, i naposljetku zrtvovati i svoju 'karijeru' i bolju buducnost Bajora... da li je Bareil pogrijesio sto je odustao od kandidature i stiteci Opaku na vaznu poziciju doveo negativku...?

Kolaboracionist - da li je on zaista 100% negativac jer je provodio volju okupatora, i da li bi bilo bolje da nitko na Bajoru nije suradjivao s njima pa da svi u vlasti budu Kardasijanci? Ne vjerujem da bi Kardasijanci na tim pozicijama bili bolji od domacih izdajica :)
Moglo bi se reci da je na neki nacin Odo isto kolaboracionist jer je radio za kardasijance....

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@Captain - zanimljiva usporedba :thumbs2: , u DS9u se jako cesto mogu naci paralele s Domovinskim ratom...
Neki smatraju da su Kardasijanci u stvari srbi i sl...
Pitam se samo tko bi bili Slovenci :lolsmjeh:

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Ferengiji :-# Daimon ZMAGO :zubo:

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